Help me

[Poguemahone]

Does it seem to anyone that I am acting a little off, making people mad lately??? I need to know. A certain member of the board has brought to my attention that I have been making personal attacks on a certain member. Those attacks are related to an effort on my behalf to try and help this board. One member decided to go against me and loose my trust by snitching to the higher lever members of the board.

I cant deal with this anymore, if you people dont like me, then I have no reason to stay, make up your mind. Do I stay of do I go. (<----- yes I know, song lyrics)

[X Rogue]

I like you. And as I said before, I want you to stay.

So how are these attacks meant to help the board?

[Poguemahone]

The attacks that I was doing to a certain member was because of a previous event of me trying to help the board. That member brought my idea to the higher members of the board and therefore ruined my chance of helping the board.

[Byrhthelm]

Balin, we need you to stay. There is nothing intrinsically wrong in making people mad, we can't always agree with everybody. The big thing is to be able to get over it and move on. That applies to all sides.

[Ditz]

Why do you even need to ask me? I think you should stay, I think you're a wonderful person and it would be a great loss to the board if you were to go. *big hug*

[Poguemahone]

Oh, sorry.

YES = STAY
NO = LEAVE

[X Rogue]

Thanks, I just realized I meant to ask and hadn't. Sorry about that. *goes to vote yes*

[Theodred]

Really, you're addressing the wrong issue. I don't know where you're getting this notion, but your underground efforts do not sound like they were trying to aid the board. The member who reported what you were doing should not have been attacked for upsetting your own personal agenda. Also Balin, it really shouldn't be about whether you "stay or go." Undoubtedly the poll results will reflect that we believe you should stay. However, you should really be asking yourself whether to continue these actions or to settle in and return to normal. You yourself asked if you were making people angry. Leaving would not be the solution if you were, rather instead figuring out what you were doing wrong and changing it.

[Poguemahone]

I dont see myself as doing anything wrong. And for your information Theo, with my underground movement, I had four members for my motive and one agaist it. It seems as if the main members of this board saw eye-to-eye with me. So watch out what you say.

[Barahir]

What do you mean, "one against it"? I guess none of the three moderators, Schloi, or Aragil count? Or anyone else that you didn't ask, for fear that they would not give the answer you were looking for? RB, Shadowfax, and everyone else that I even talked to on MSN?

[Poguemahone]

I did not send it to the moderators, and the one person against it was Aragil. Schloi had responded with a, I dont want to get involved pm.

[Theodred]

And for your information Theo, with my underground movement, I had four members for my motive and one agaist it. It seems as if the main members of this board saw eye-to-eye with me. So watch out what you say.
I sure hope you're not politely telling me to watch my back. :rolleyes

[Poguemahone]

What can I do to you Theo, you are the almighty head of this board, I cant touch you.

[Barahir]

You should know that "I don't want to be involved" means no. I talked with him on MSN about it. Just because you didn't ask other people, also, doesn't mean that they weren't against it. However, I can only assume that if you're telling the truth in this case, then two of the most respected individuals, both moderators, must be lying. Which I do not believe.

[X Rogue]

I am a moderator, and I got your pm. And I said I wanted to stay neutral.

[Poguemahone]

I cant remember sending it to moderators, but if I did, then I only got Rogues back. And I trust in what she says.

[Ditz]

Guys, can we calm down a bit please? (By guys I mean Balin, Theo and Barahir)

This is all getting silly, can't you just let the past be the past and forget about it? You can ignore one another if you have to. I hate you arguing, and I hate people being upset and I think everyone's taking it all a bit too seriously. Afterall this is only a silly online board, in terms of reality it means very little. I'd personally much prefer people to get along with one another though. Can't one of you (at the very least) just stop being stubborn and go "ok, I took it a bit too far. I'm sorry." ?


Disclaimer: I don't undervalue anyone's points, and I don't think that any of them are wrong, I just feel it would be easier if we came to a comprimise.

[Aragil]

Alright, I've sat here and done nothing long enough. I was the one who revealed Balin as the conspirator. Balin then promptly insulted me and called me something I wouldn't utter here. I'm really not happy that Balin has decided to stop being a calm, and really cool member. If you have a personal issue with me, or Barahir, or Theodred, I think you should just leave this board, because I don't think we will.

[Prince Dol Amroth]

Hi everybody! Are we having fun yet?

Ok, first, Balin, just to jog your memory, you did send me a pm about the petition and I responded that I needed to know what specifically was wrong , so I could respond intelligently. You then pmed me and told me you were dropping your petition due to the fact that someone "alerted the authorities." I responded that as it was your petition that dropping it was your right, but that I thought a secret petition was not the best way to deal with a problem. I just wanted to remind you that another mod was involved.

Is it me or does it feel like this room is on testosterone overload? We all need to calm down. We all say and do things that bug others. We even make remarks sometimes to those who lovelovelovelove us off and then we resolve it. I do not know the exact details of all the things that are bothering Balin, and being honest, some of the mods or admins, have not always responded in a constructive manner.

Here is my suggestion, everyone should take a minute and remember why we came to this board and stayed. We met good people, we engaged in silly conversations, we debated serious issues and we made friends. Sometimes, we angered each other, by the way we said something or the way someone thought we meant, but we worked through it. Balin, I enjoy your company most of the time. I will not vote though. You must decide if you want to stay with friends, if you are willing to workl though a bump in the road, if the fun and pleasure you recieve and give is worth making the effort to wirk though this. I hope that when you reach that decision, I will get to see the goofy dwarf fluffing and laughing.

[Schloi]

You should know that "I don't want to be involved" means no. I talked with him on MSN about it. Just because you didn't ask other people, also, doesn't mean that they weren't against it. However, I can only assume that if you're telling the truth in this case, then two of the most respected individuals, both moderators, must be lying. Which I do not believe.

I don't know the full issue, I tried to figure it out, but I've been told the standard answer, the reason I didn't side with either side was that I wasn't informed, and still am not, please do not count me for either side
and if my opinion counts, I hope that this can be brought to a peaceful resolution

[Ditz]

I personally think that the admins have handled this whole situation really badly, and I have explained why, but they have ignored it and implied that I have no idea what is going on. Whereas I actually do, and I've had experience on a number of different boards, so I personally feel that it would be advisable to listen to what I say. However, they haven't wanted to do this because this would imply that they made a bad decision, and they don't seem to be good at accepting responsibility at all. However in general the admin are relatively good, there are no major problems on the baord and they tend to make good decisions. However everyone is failable, and if everyone realised that it would be a lot nicer.

I personally don't think people going - basically - "The petition sucked" is really helping at all. Having a go at Balin isn't going to solve anything.

Christ, I hate men sometimes.

[Steadfast Sam]

I have been gone for a long time, so I have no idea what this whole fiasco was started by or why it continues to be an issue. Are we in kindergarden, people? Someone said something and someone else said something back....so what. Handle it like adults and move on already. I think we all have enough conflict in our lives without a board that was started as an escape from reality weighing us down.

Finally, in my humble opinion, anyone who wants to stay and post here at Rohan is welcome, provided they are civil and mature. If you just have a difference of opinion that you do not think could be resolved, that's fine too. Start your own board somewhere else. That's what Theo, Berethorn, and I did like a thousand years ago when we started Rohan.

[Prince Dol Amroth]

Ditz, since I am just a lowly mod, I did not hear your ideas on this matter. I would definately like to hear them, all input would be helpful. My ear is always open...ok, that sounds weird, but saying that my door is always open sounds no better online...lol

For my part, I am not "having a go at Balin." I like him, and do not wish him to leave. As I mentioned earlier, I think that his petition was not the best way to help the board, but that is what I told him directly. I also said that I think that some of the "powers that be" might have responded inappropriately at times. This is going on far longer than necessary and if you or anyone else has any suggestons, PLEASE tell me, either in a open forum, or pm me directly.

Riders of Rohan unite!

[Ditz]

My suggestion to end it is that everyone grows up, and apologises to one another. This, like most other matters on the planet, was EVERYONE'S fault.

I've learnt from previous experience that any problems with admin or mods are useless to report, because nothing is done about it ever.

[Prince Dol Amroth]

Ditz, since you have never reported anything to me, your experience is not complete. I always listen to what anyone says to me and I will act in the best interest of all involved. Please do not let your past bad experiences keep you from dealing with a guy who is fair minded and interested in doing the right thing.

I am trying to find what part of this was my fault, since I think I fit in the category of "everyone". Perhaps you could enlighten me on what I did wrong.

I agree that the folks involved should grow up, apologize and return to the serious matters at hand, like, cool pictures of yourself, or protecting Dom form orcs, or rating new movies.

[Ditz]

I am trying to find what part of this was my fault, since I think I fit in the category of "everyone". Perhaps you could enlighten me on what I did wrong.

Everyone involved in the argument, Balin, Theo, Barahir, and to some extent Aragil.

[Barahir]

Well, I would also include you to some extent, as well. But I'll go first:

I'm sorry.

Who's next? ;)

[Ditz]

Ok. I'm sorry I stuck up for my friend when no-one else would ;)

[Poguemahone]

Let me just say that I stopped because I knew that the extent I was going to bring this would have had me banned.

And yes, I am sorry for creating turmoil once more.

[Aragil]

Your friend also insulted me for telling the admins that he was trying to make the board fall apart. Besides, if not me, one of the mods would have done it.

[Ditz]

Aragil, you know what, I don't think I care anymore. I don't see the point in acting the mediator if I'm just going to get shouted at for it. I said Balin was in the wrong. Everyone was in the wrong.

[Barahir]

Therefore, let us forget it, and not do it again. Any of us.

I give you cheesecake, as a peace offering. :cc

[Ditz]

:) Thank you Barahir (again) and thank you Balin. It's nice when boys play nice. (nice when girls do too)

[Prince Dol Amroth]

I add a bountiful cheese basket to Barahir's cheese cake to all as a way to say, let us enjoy the pleasures of Rohan.

[Schloi]

thank you for being willing to mend fences

[Aragil]

I extend my apology to Balin, I just didn't appreciate the things you said to me.

[Baseloaf]

Who mentioned Dom and orcs? *reaches for his sword*

[Daughter of Mirkwood]

i said no you shouldnt leave, but was it supposed to be yes you should stay?

[siskoeva]

I have no idea what's going on, and I'd rather keep it that way...ignorance is bliss, and to me, I want all the bliss I can possibly have.

[Daughter of Mirkwood]

An excellent idea.

[Tarcristiel]

Like siskoeva, I feel like I came in on the tail-end of a tornado, and I'd just as soon not get involved.


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