George Washington Who?

[Tarcristiel]

A sad commentary on the state of American education today: First in war, first in peace, SEVENTH in the hearts of his countrymen??!! (http://daily.webshots.com/content/ap/current/h65505661.html)

Especially when you see where that weasel Slick Willy placed. :confused


”Well, you do want looking after and no mistake: your party might be on a holiday!” said Butterbur.

[RW7427]

At least people know who Lincoln was. :lol

[Theodred]

Yeah, I agree that Lincoln should be first. And Franklin Roosevelt definitely should be high up there. But Washington should easily have beaten Reagan, Bush, and Clinton. Even John Kennedy should have been beaten, since in my opinion his popularity only increased significantly after his early death. I'm surprised Jefferson isn't on the list. Maybe the Embargo Acts hurt him...

[Barahir]

I don't know about that... I dont' think Lincoln should really be first. Yes, he was certainly a very good president. But when he died, his successer Andrew Johnson didn't do nearly as well. Johnson was doing basically what Lincoln would have done, had he lived. I admire him, but I still think that our first should be first, if you know what I mean. ;)

[Ring-bearer]

I agree with Barahir, Lincoln shouldn't be first. In fact, maybe not even top 10. (Just me) I think there's a lot more credit given to him than he deserves. Not sure who should be first to be honest.

((No, I'm not back, it's just an illusion))

[Theodred]

Where do you think Jefferson Davis would rank then?

[Prince Dol Amroth]

Jefferson Davis? Ok, he should not even be included...he was president of the U.S. enemy during the War between the States, and he wasn't that good as the Confederacy's President.

I don't know who would pick first, although Lincoln would be high on my list. Andrew Johnson did not follow Lincoln's plan for the South. He was far harsher and allowed the South to be exploited. Lincoln was a great president. He had the smartest idea about who to surround himself with, two kinds of people: capable people in their field and his enemies. He took to heart the old saying;Keep your friends close and your enemies closer. He made his fair share of mistakes, but he was an excellent president.

[Theodred]

Sorry, PDA. The comment about Davis was me being cruel and sarcastic, not serious. :p

[Ring-bearer]

I actually agree with PDA a bit. He wasn't really a great president either. Wouldn't make him sound so bad though. :p

[Prince Dol Amroth]

Ring-bearer, make who sound so bad..Johnson or Davis? Johnson might not have been the greatest, but he had his saving graces. Davis, on the other hand, was as far from good as a president, as he was a good American. :lol

[Ring-bearer]

Davis. Just because he was a confederate doesn't make him an awful person. He was awful as their president though. :p

[Prince Dol Amroth]

Being a southerner myself, I agree that being a Confederate does not make a person a bad guy or a bad president, but it would preclude him from being a goood American president, since he never was president of the U.S. A. :lol

[Byrhthelm]

Yeah, but he wasn't president of Canada, or Mexico, or Venezuela, Columbia, Paraguay, etc, etc, they're all America too, just not part of the USA.

[Barahir]

Ah, good point, Byrht...

[Aragil]

Indeed...The greatest president of the US in my opinion hasn't been born yet.

[Prince Dol Amroth]

Aragil, what do you mean? I am right here... :lol

[Ditz]

You need to get a woman in there. In fact Britain needs a woman too (Margret Thatcher was NOT a woman. I will not accept she was a woman ever). And it should be someone with a scientific background (and preferably a slight grounding in the arts). You've had some good presidents, and some bad ones, but I definatly agree with Aragil in a way. I think you have the potential of getting some amazing presidents in there and I feel the best is yet to come.

[Prince Dol Amroth]

Ditz, so why do you say that Margret Thatcher was not a woman? Just curious.

Also, why do you think that a person with a scientific background would make a good president, also what about the grounding in the arts? These seem like qualities not usually considered for a political leader, and I find the idea interesting.

[Ditz]

Ditz, so why do you say that Margret Thatcher was not a woman? Just curious.

Because she was evil, and the devil incarnate.

Also, why do you think that a person with a scientific background would make a good president, also what about the grounding in the arts? These seem like qualities not usually considered for a political leader, and I find the idea interesting.

Scientific background would mean that they would be more analytical, and generally intelligent when it comes to numbers and figures etc. Arts background so that they are grounded, and have an all round sort of intelligence. I believe we should have an intelligent analytical leader, not just someone who's good at making speaches.

[Prince Dol Amroth]

Ditz, so are you saying that women are not capable of being evil? I know a few fellows who might disagree... :lol

Anything specific that you could point out that shows how evil she was? I don't think I have heard of anyone saying that she was the devil incarnate, so I am curious to get a new perspective.

I agree that we need leaders that think and are not just good with the speech thing. I doubt that a person that si soundly grounded in the arts or science would want ot be bothered with running the country, though. They want to actually do things...lol

[Ditz]

Ditz, so are you saying that women are not capable of being evil? I know a few fellows who might disagree...

I didn't say she was a man either, so get over it.

Anything specific that you could point out that shows how evil she was? I don't think I have heard of anyone saying that she was the devil incarnate, so I am curious to get a new perspective

Although I was mainly joking I do think she was a terrible prime minister. Under her governing: record levels of unemplyoment, massive recession, lots of people dying because they couldn't get healthcare and couldn't afford to get basic stuff, people living in crappy accomodation and a massive crumble of some of the major industries in Britain. A few fat cats got rich and that was all. She was an awful woman personally by all accounts and she really got the country in a state. I will not accept that she was of my gender.

I agree that we need leaders that think and are not just good with the speech thing. I doubt that a person that si soundly grounded in the arts or science would want ot be bothered with running the country, though. They want to actually do things...lol


That's a major problem. Anyway, they wouldn't be voted in 'coz they don't make pretty speaches and pronounce things wrong.

[Prince Dol Amroth]

Ditz, I will "get over it", if you realize I was just playing... :biggrin

I appreciate the reasons behind your distaste of the lady. I, being a typical American, tend to ignore what is going on anywhere else in the world that does not directly effect the US, so I am not all that familiar with what happened during her time in office, so I appreciate your comments.

You are right, giving "pretty speeches" tends to be the most important thing sometimes in politics. How sad.

By the way, is there any chance we can banish folks of our own gender that give it a bad name? Maybe we can work on this, cause there are plenty of "men" who I wish would stop telling people they are men. :)c

[Gworraent]

By the way, is there any chance we can banish folks of our own gender that give it a bad name? Maybe we can work on this, cause there are plenty of "men" who I wish would stop telling people they are men.

huh? i am confused, i think that it's sad that washington got 7th tho, thats pitiful

[Baseloaf]

Elizabeth Bathory was an evil woman. I hear Ditz is related to her. :p

[Ditz]

Elizabeth Bathory was a lonely woman who dabbled in the occult a bit.

However she was supposed to be fantastically beautiful, so thank you.